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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.22 21:03:00 -
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TLDR Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCPwill devote all assets we can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time!. |
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Posted - 2014.02.22 21:46:00 -
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mechtech wrote:[quote=Mario Putzo]TLDR
If Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCP will devote all assets they can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time in 0.0 space.
Actually Jita's node is more powerful than the fleet battle nodes (although some of the super-hyped battles have borrowed the Jita node for a day).
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Exactly but why is Jita capped, but space fights are not. I get inconvenienced every single weekend. Yet nearly every time there is a nullsec fight CCP trips all over themselves trying to make the blob fights more convenient...even by inconveniencing people in Jita by taking its node and making it even more restrictive.
It doesn't make sense that one aspect of the game is being propped up with every last ounce of energy CCP can muster, and another is an issue solved by:
"Just go to another Market Area"
Maybe if the guys in nullsec weren't seeing CCP bend over backwards to accommodate them then in the future CCP wouldn't need to bend over backwards to accommodate them. Maybe CCP could instead I don't know actually invest that time into making the server as a whole more self sustainable and accommodating to everyone and not just cherry pick which sector of the game is worthy of extra effort and support.
Pretty **** service when one group of players are catered to and another group are asked to respect the "limits" of the game and just go X number of jumps out of their way. Seems almost like a double standard.
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:18:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Courier services might be able to transport multiple contracts out of Jita (to their service hub) so that would be less load. Also, they may be able to enter Jita during low traffic hours. As an example, high-traffic in Jita was yesterday from 15:20 until 22:00.
What about having NPC couriers that can transport product from Jita 4/4 to an adjacent system (one jump out of Jita MAXIMUM). Allowing people to place and order from say New Caldari, and then that order shows up in a station in New Caldari. If I can make an order on Jita market there shouldn't be any reason that item can not just be "brought" to New Caldari.
From a lore perspective I don't see Caldari Empire turning away customers, that is very inefficient business. They would likely hire merchants to expand service to neighboring regions, because more business is more income for the Empire, thus "transporting" goods from Jita to New Caldari fits their m/o. The other Empires would follow suit because there is no way any competitive market would allow another to expand its already established dominance without some form of similar alternative.
How you legitimize it:
"Due to high market demand The Caldari Empire has decreed that merchant transports will be conscripted into service. The explosion in market demand caused by capsuleers has caused strain on customs to the point that interstellar gates have had to be closed dozens of times over the past several months. This is unacceptable for sustained profitability and already market share is being lost to other Empires. These merchants will be tasked with delivering market orders to neighboring star systems in a timely manner in order to facilitate capsuleer consumption. Merchants however will be forbidden to transport product into Jita as this would encroach on profits related to our contract processing departments. We acknowledge that the other Empires will follow this lead, and hope that our current market dominance can be retained by taking this initiative first. We can no longer sit idly by while capsuleers opt to do business in other trade hubs throughout New Eden."
The Mighty Head of Caldari (whomever that may be because I do not actually know)
Brief Blurb about it:
You can buy stuff from Jita, it shows up in the station you bought from in New Caldari. Only works 1 system over as to not eliminate Contract services. Instead of needing people to pick Contracts from Jita > [where ever] you can contract from New Caldari > [where ever].. You can not buy stuff from New Caldari and have it show up in Jita however, You gotta move it yourself in that regard. (note there is no actual merchant ship. The product just shows up in your inventory in New Caldari (if you are not in a station the item will stay in Jita)
I just don't see how the answer can be "Go somewhere else" or "contract it and hope someone gets it." If I want something on the market I want it then. Not when someone gets around to it. I am sure this can't be too difficult to implement, and it would permanently solve the "sorry to many folks doing stuff in Jita Today" Issue that is getting increasingly worse.
Send Cash to my PayPal. Plex/ISK is ok too. Thanks. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:What about having NPC couriers that can transport product from Jita 4/4 to an adjacent system (one jump out of Jita MAXIMUM). Allowing people to place and order from say New Caldari, and then that order shows up in a station in New Caldari. If I can make an order on Jita market there shouldn't be any reason that item can not just be "brought" to New Caldari. Why should NPCs be handed a job players can do perfectly well on their own?
They can't. Thats the problem.
If people could get into Jita anytime they wanted to...this thread wouldn't exist. |
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:31:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I have a bucket. You have a hose.
You use the hose to fill my bucket, and then complain that my bucket is not big enough.
I agree, acquire a larger bucket, and you proceed to fill it. Again. And complain. Again. I agree, again. I acquire an even larger bucket, which you fill. Again. And complain. Again. so I acquire an enormous bucket. Which you fill. Again.
Eventually I acquire the largest bucket that can possibly be acquired and outfit it with all sorts of cunning systems to help optimise its water containment faculties.
And you fill it. Again.
And complain. Again.
And act like it's my fault. Again.
Even though you're the one attempting to channel an infinite volume of water into a bucket of finite capacity.
Again.
Which of us sounds like the more reasonable person in this interaction?
So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.
Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.
Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. Without requiring players to initiate session change in Jita. Simple solutions for simple problems.
I buy from Jita 4/4 it shows up in the New Caldari station I bought it from. Poof your bucket isn't no longer getting full but still doing its job, people can get product off Jita market without going into Jita AT ALL, and everyone is happy. Except for the lames who camp the Jita gates on Saturday because they need to have their PVP spoonfed to them by CCP. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:So maybe instead of just buying new buckets you figure out the best way to spread out the water with your current buckets so you don't spill any and still collect all the water you need.
Ill tell you how to get people to stop filling up your Jita bucket.
Let them buy and receive products from Jita, in New Caldari. This is already in the game and has been for many many years.
Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.
Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.
If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.
It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.
"Hey Guys! We have to close Jita every single weekend for nearly a year now, so instead of working on fixing this we just want you to go somewhere else Thanks CCP Lazzycunt." |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:05:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
Ya no it hasn't. It is impossible for me to sit in New Caldari, buy an item from Jita, and have it show up in my inventory in New Caldari.
Unless I personally jump into Jita and get it and bring it back.
Or have someone else go into Jita and get it and bring it back.
If the issue is session changes, then adding more session changes doesn't fix the issue...hell it doesn't even remedy the issue.
It is pure laziness and poor game design. It is a simple ******* fix, and doesn't impact any aspect of the game whatsoever....aside from removing "fish in a barrel" Saturday/Sunday afternoons for Gankers.
"Hey Guys! We have to close Jita every single weekend for nearly a year now, so instead of working on fixing this we just want you to go somewhere else Thanks CCP Lazzycunt."
No fantasy-mmo-style magic mailboxes plz. I'd rather see an additional 0.5% Jita sales tax. Also, that derogatory language is pretty f-ing unwarranted.
Ya sales tax doesn't change anything. If it costs more to sell...it will cost more to buy. It won't change anything. Jita is popular because of its location. Any change in pricing will be matched by a change in pricing on the player side to maintain profit margins.
As for foul language. Ill use what ever adjectives I ******* want to use mmmk. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The only laziness is the refusal to use the many mechanics already designed into the game. That laziness is a worthless and ignorant excuse for wanting to remove gameplay and hurt an entire industry.
I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!!
As for ruining an industry, LOOOOOOOOOL.
Contracting to New Caldari instead of Jita is not going to ruin the courier industry it results in literally 1 less jump. It takes the load of 1 system...and spreads it evenly all of the adjacent systems. I don't think you understand how trade hubs actually work in an economic sense but they are not a singular pile in system.
Hell it would probably improve courier work. As a courier myself I avoid Jita like the plague Thursday -Monday because it is impossible to make any reliable profit/time invested.
Domanique Altares wrote:Putz wrote:It is impossible for me to ...
... Unless I ...
... Or ...
So what you're saying is that it's not actually impossible. It's just not the instant 'push butan, receive bacon' fantasy magic that you want it to be.
In the content of addressing an issue Yes it is impossible. The issue is Jita overload, adding more session changes to that load does not address the problem. At least try and keep up. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:I just bought 4 Items from Jita 4/4 from New Caldari, but they still have yet to show up in my inventory in New Caldari what am I doing wrong!!!!! You didn't ask them to be delivered. Quote:As for ruining an industry, LOOOOOOOOOL. Since people are actually doing what you say is impossible already, there is an industry for it. You want to put those out of a job forGǪ no sensible reason. Quote:It takes the load of 1 system...and spreads it evenly all of the adjacent systems. I don't think you understand how trade hubs actually work in an economic sense but they are not a singular pile in system. Actually, it takes the load of one system and spreads it out unevenly depending on need. And the fact that trade hubs aren't a singular system rather relies on the fact that what you say is impossible is already possible.
Well of course I didn't ask them to be delivered. People undocking and swtiching systems adds stress to an already loaded system. So loaded that it is the only system in the entire game that has a player cap on it. Im just trying to do my part and take pressure off the load like CCP wants.
Just go someplace else that will fix the problem! |
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:32:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:Just go someplace else that will fix the problem! Indeed it will. Good to see you're finally learning. Sorry but not empty quoting here.
Doesn't fix the problem though. I can go somewhere else, and someone will take my place. The problem doesn't change if we all go someplace else. If Amarr suddenly became the #1 place to be, they would just cap Amarr, or Dodixie, or Rens, or any other system.
Asking people to go use other systems doesn't fix the problem. It doesn't even remedy it. Fixing the problem is making it so there doesn't need to be a cap in the first place. Which is something that CCP should be doing.
Its the same thing with TIDI. Tidi doesn't fix anything, it just allowed CCP to kick the can down the road a couple years. Instead of 1K people in a system before the node blows up we get 4K people in system. That isn't a fix, it is a remedy.
Just like the drone assist change. We going to lower drones to 50 max per assist. Still doesn't change the fact that there going to be 5+*X ships on grid shitting the servers up.
Fix problems CCP, kicking them down the road isn't good design, it is lazy. |
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:22:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
A magic mailbox is not a suitable solution to this perceived problem. Got anything else?
Except it isn't a magic mail-box. Its NPC delivery.
You think the Caldari Empire would say..."Don't worry about it guys just go to Dodoxie we don't want your ISK flooding up our capitalist enterprise give it to the Gallente instead!"
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Except it isn't a magic mail-box. Its NPC delivery.
You think the Caldari Empire would say..."Don't worry about it guys just go to Dodoxie we don't want your ISK flooding up our capitalist enterprise give it to the Gallente instead!"
NPC delivery? You mean putting Couriers and Haulers out of work by automating their job? Nope.
Because 1 jump will bankrupt courries and haulers.
As a Courier/Trader myself who depends on access to Jita in order to fund my game experience the fact for 4 days of the week I can not reliably do what I like to do is pathetic. I can assure you that there will be no impact on trading or courier markets should CCP decide to allow players to buy and receive items in stations within systems surrounding Jita, or other Market hubs.
I guarantee that no Courier makes their living running contracts from Jita to New Caldari, and no Trader makes their living running items from Jita to New Caldari.
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:41:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:You think the Caldari Empire would say..."Don't worry about it guys just go to Dodoxie we don't want your ISK flooding up our capitalist enterprise give it to the Gallente instead!" I fail to see why this is so difficult. Can you help me to understand why this can't be done?
You fail to see because you don't know what a market hub is.
And again "go somewhere else" does not solve the issue with Jita needing a cap, and that cap being exceeded.
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
As a Courier/Trader myself who depends on access to Jita in order to fund my game experience the fact for 4 days of the week I can not reliably do what I like to do is pathetic.
Blame other players for flooding Jita, and yourself for refusing to adapt your playstyle to a PLAYER DRIVEN situation.
Im not blaming anyone other than CCP for refusing to address what is becoming a more and more serious issue.
and no "Go somewhere else" is not a solution. CCP has given us the capacity to do whatever we want. They cater to the 80K dudes in nullsec by using every hardware trick they can conceive to keep 4K man fights going for 12+ hours. Yet they can't be assed to figure out how to get 4K dudes into Jita during primetime on Friday>Monday.
Competition is nonexistent when there is an cap in place. That by very definition is lack of competition. At least in a capitalist market sense. Which CCP seems to take a lot of pride in. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:06:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:[
That does not answer the question Mario?
Why can't a new market hub not spring up in The Forge?
Why do we need CCP to change a mechanic because YOU can't go somewhere else?
I never said you couldn't. I just said you don't know how market hubs work. Which is painfully obvious if you think moving a market hub solves this problem. I seed markets all over high and low sec. I have no issue moving product outside of Jitas area of influence. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with the game, and CCP should be working to fix that problem. Not telling people to just go somewhere else.
Lets assume everyone just says **** Jita and goes to Amarr instead. What is the solution for when Amarr gets over capacity...just move somewhere else?
Why not just fix the problem and be done with it, and the easiest least way with minimal impact on current gameplay is to just have product purchased in adjacent solar systems be delivered to those solar systems. This doesn't hurt prices, this doesn't hurt contracts, this doesn't hurt trading, and it allows people the ability to still buy crap from a central location without having to depend on a cap. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, telling people to move doesn't get rid of the problem.
Having the systems next to the main hubs in each "empires" space to handle overflow is not going to damage anything about the game currently. Sole exception being that gankers won't have Saturday afternoon fish barrels. But you are incapable of understanding this because you don't know what a market hub is.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:If you can't go to Jita, there are several other major trade hubs that you could go to. Actually, considering how saturated the market is in Jita, you might have better success with making a profit in other systems like Amarr or Dodixie.
You can make much more money trading outside of Jita. Unfortunately the VAST majority of people sell in Jita for the quick sell and product turnover...which if you are in the production side of things results in higher profit. For Traders like myself though Buying in Jita and Seeding Amarr, or Dodixie is much more profitable than moving product to Jita. |
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Luwc wrote:Lock Jita local. GǪexcept, of course, that it wouldn't solve anything since the spammers in question aren't locking anyone out. Wrong. They make up a percentage of the cap number.
Cap is in place because of session changes. Spammers actually don't put much stress on the node at all. |
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